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Prince W Baggett

Democratic – California

PLEASE READ THIS: WE ARE ONE PEOPLE, AND I LOVE THIS SITE

Fri. Nov. 14, 04:57pm EST

I just wanted to thank everyone that I've been speaking to as a whole about different subject matter. I just want to warn that some people who obviously found out about this site has come into some discussion with very, very strong divisive rhetoric, and I have decided that it would be prudent of me not to respond. They have responded to some blogs with no identity or face to match with their rhetoric, and I guess they have obviously found it smart to not add there face to their profiles. I enjoy debating but I'm not in these rooms to divide because like Joe Spears said "we all have much more in common then what divides us" and I refuse to be apart of any argument which is racially, sexist, or motivated with ill-intent. I am happy to debate subject matters and ways of coming to a consensus or compromise and of course some opinions and facts along the way to support debates and also arguments which I hope may persuade mine and their views. I am also well aware that sometimes there are people you cant sit down with and debate any argument, either because they see no point to it or because they dont understand that one of the fundamental wars with politics is always jockeying for position, and demeaning and berating someone who is different from you never gets us closer to a greater resolve in our politics and social issues. I believe fundamentally in standing up for what you believe in but there is no need to take shots at a race, sex, or gender directly because they dont conform to the same ideology. Ive been really blessed to give my opinions and thoughts on subject matter and honestly if people are with or not with the Democrats, if you are with or not with the Republicans, life will continue on with or without you. So I just wanted to repudiate comments on one of my blogs from someone named "SarahBecker" who called Obama "THAT ONE" in a condescending manner and had alot of divisive baiting rhetoric. I dont find that as anything that's going to move our country forward or anything uplifting. I believe that despite our many faults, that this country was based on the principles of GOD. With one of those principles in essence to treat people the way you want to be treated... I am blessed to have such an opportunity to debate with intellectuals and people who understand issues from different point of views, including and not limited to interacting with people of different backgrounds and points of view, and I love Jenci's quote on her profile by Margaret Mead stating :

Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has.
-Margaret Mead

I also wanted to state one other quote by Margaret Mead that I thought was great when dealing with instances like this
If one cannot state a matter clearly enough so that even an intelligent twelve-year-old can understand it, one should remain within the cloistered walls of the university and laboratory until one gets a better grasp of one's subject matter.
-Margaret Mead

I just want to warn everyone as a whole it would be unfair to the creators and to ourselves and to Americans to turn this site into a platform of hate and divisive rhetoric when we have so many issues out there facing us everyday. So be careful of people trying to bait you into a war, were not here for that. I just wanted to throw that out there because I dont want anyone coming into our blogs with an agenda for just one group of people. We are much bigger then that. No need for one side vs. another side. I know everyone I've been in touch with back and forth so far have been pleasant we present our sides and sometimes we reach an agreement on certain points. When I saw the blog from who i stated above though I felt that I needed to say this.. Thanks again
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Gillian Myerberg Fri. Nov. 14, 05:05pm EST#1

Thank you Prince. You said it perfectly. It is time for us to come together as one nation and not as a divided nation. We get more things done when we work together as a team than when working against one another. The founders of this site have put their time, their hearts, their souls and most importantly their money into making this a place where we can openly debate without having to spread messages of hate, and out of respect for them, we should adhere to those principles. Those who don't, should leave and find another place to vent your frustrations on, but this site is not the place for it.

I think we all can agree that we have had heated debates but at the same time have found common ground and that is what allows this site to be special. Those who can't see that or care to participate in this form of discussion, please leave our crazy, GOP, Democrat family.

"One Nation under God with Liberty and Justice for All."

Jenci Spradlin Fri. Nov. 14, 05:33pm EST#2

Thank you Prince for your candor and honesty -- as well as Gillian.

Personally, I started out vehemently opposed to Obama in every which way possible. I mean, I wasn't one of those "he's a Muslim and/or the Anti-Christ" people, but I was baffled by the lack of investigation into his past and his beliefs. I read the books too! I won't say that I have disregarded my earlier opinions about his policies, but I've put those feelings and opinions within a new context now that the election is over -- one that can objectively appreciate and recognize some of the positive things that an Obama presidency will bring to our country. I also am able to see qualities within Obama as a leader that I have championed in other contexts, but because of partisan politics, I was unwilling or unable to see them before. Does this mean that I will agree with everything he does? Probably not. But this does mean that it gives me a new framework for working with people like Prince and Gillian in a way that isn't bound to the old confines of Democrat/Republican, but one that allows for looking at solving issues within this constantly changing future, and using netoworks of people - like the networks we can easily form on P4A, to address complex issues that affect us all. It's when we can come together and talk about things from the context of the future, and not of the past, that we don't need to worry about labels weighing us down and defining how we should go about making decisions and choices.

Jerry Weisenfeld Fri. Nov. 14, 05:36pm EST#3

I think the Prince is vying for Jenci's pseudo title of P4A's Press Secretary. Well worded and I agree 100% with you on using this site as a place to discuss and bring up differences of opinion in an intelligent and thoughtful manner.

Gillian Myerberg Fri. Nov. 14, 06:11pm EST#4

Jerry, it's funny you say that since you just told me in my posting that basically I shouldn't have posted the national rally against Prop 8. So, pick a side. It's an issue and a very large one at that. I have every right to use this forum as an aid for those who do support it and or maybe don't but know that everyone should be allowed the same freedoms. I am straight, but I know that allowing same sex couples to marry will have no impact on my life, in fact it will probably help the divorce rate in this country drop. Over 52% of all marriages fail. We aren't doing so well as straight couples maybe we can learn from the same sex couples. At least I keep an open mind and don't live my life by a book.

Zeke Murrah Fri. Nov. 14, 09:42pm EST#5

"I refuse to be a part of any argument which is racially, sexist, or motivated with ill-intent" -- I agree with you on that one, Prince. I have found the vast majority of the people on this site to be very civil and generous. Ignoring those posts that are hateful, belittling, and spiteful is probably the best way to keep the site as you and most of us would like it to be.

Joshua Boulée Fri. Nov. 14, 09:56pm EST#6

Not posting something controversial doesn't solve anything. Post away! Just don't get offended when someone doesn't agree with said position, that's what politics and discussion in general is all about. If we all agreed on everything there would be no point in having a site like P4A.

Prince W Baggett Fri. Nov. 14, 10:36pm EST#7

No Joshua, I wasnt trying to imply controversial subject matter is not good. I think its great...I love it.. I live for it when I come on here... Thats exactly what politics is... But if you notice a keyword I used, I said ill-intent. There is nothing good about ill-intent because all it starts is group against group conversation, and I wasnt talking about Republicans, Democrats and Independents... wait let me be more specific since I tried not to be in the original statement. I dont want people coming in the rooms making a divide along racial or gender lines , and I mean using incendiary rhetoric in an effort to get back an incendiary response from a person or group in these conversations ..Joshua, I love going at it with Joe Spears, Zeke Murrah and Chris Stearns specifically in everything weve talked about so far. They havent said anything incendiary, they have stated facts and I state facts and we state pretty level-headed grounded opinions, and to be honest I think I can be friends with all of them easy and trust me they can agree we have talked about controversial matters already, and we always do and always will. Race is an attribute of what we talk about and so is everything else, I use facts from race and gender, I actually like it, it makes people more passionate.. IM JUST SOLELY TALKING ABOUT INCENDIARY COMMENTS... COMMENTS USED TO STIR HATRED THOUGH... as more people get involved in this site the warning comes because ignorant people will sometimes say things that is meant to get you boiling, to test who we are, and then all of a sudden the texture of our convo has changed from policy attacks to attacking each others character and integrity... Lets be real here, Im sure P4A is growing at an alarming rate.. I have close discussions with everyone in these comments right now but as it grows it might be too many comments to keep up with and we dont need an incendiary comment war. One other point, if anyone thinks that as this site gets more media attention and visibility that some ignorant people wont come in here trying to inflame hateful rhetoric from any side and that someone is not going to respond back hateful then we would be naive. My warning is just be careful of that type of bait because it has the potential of hooking anyone...

Branden South Fri. Nov. 14, 10:58pm EST#8

Prince,

This is a great thread, and you're right, the responsibility to remain civil (if not polite) is entirely upon the community. Our idea is for the community to police itself and not engage those that come here to be incendiary. My personal preference is that we all treat each other with respect. I've commented on another thread about this very issue. As I read the responses I noticed some conversations getting caustic, and I simply reminded them that we can disagree without being disagreeable.

Joshua Boulée Fri. Nov. 14, 10:59pm EST#9

Prince that is a wise and timely warning. I am sure if someone comes in here and starts just throwing hate to cause trouble they won't last long, they will get removed as a last resort. A "Block User" function, like AOL chat rooms used to have when I was last on them (8 years ago), might be a useful addition to the site if that starts to become a problem, but the best action is to simply ignore those people that are not trying to actually discuss anything, only cause trouble. All they want is attention and if they don't get it they'll get bored and leave.

Joe Spears Sat. Nov. 15, 01:46pm EST#10

I agree we obviously have differences, and I enjoy debates on issues. Good post.

Jenci Spradlin Sat. Nov. 15, 03:09pm EST#11

What about a user that comes on the site and hurls ROSES AND HEARTS instead of stones and hatred?? :) I'd love for some kind-hearted person to pop up on here unannounced and just spew LOVE and KINDNESS!! How refreshing! Maybe they just ask people to "hug it out" or "go pet a puppy you sweet thing you!" I know it sounds silly, but my point being that it's easy to forget the simple joy you can give to someone by sharing a kind word or a smile. The smallest of gestures can go a long way toward bridging gaps between each other and creating a culture of mutual respect. I can't tell you how encouraged I am to read and engage in conversations with the community on P4A - not because everyone agrees with me (who likes that??) but because it challenges me, challenges my views, gives me a new set of eyes, broadens my network, and makes me believe that we can do great things by focusing our attention and energy and ideas on issues that we all have in common.

So I just hope that people invite their friends -- especially the friends who don't think or look like they do -- because that is what makes this experience so unique.

Oh, and I found this really useful but extremely funny online guide called 5 Ways to Stop Trolls From Killing the Internet at Cracked.com -- You must check it out and have a laugh.

Joe Spears Sat. Nov. 15, 10:45pm EST#12

That reminds me of The Internet $*@&wad Theory (waning "dirty word" alert, I regularly read the comic listed in your article item #3, they sell a T-shirt)

Politics is one of those things that it will draw out the claws in people. (I know i have been a pain in the arse here, but then again I have a strong willed personality).

Jenci Spradlin Sat. Nov. 15, 11:35pm EST#13

I bet ALL our moms had the book, "The Strong-Willed Child" on her bookshelf! (I know mine did.) Now, I get the pleasure of RAISING one myself...funny how it works out that way...

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